Safe Talk (uncensored) Episode 2

[00:00:00] Brian: welcome back folks. This is this is our new, we haven't named it yet. But this is a new show we're working through it by the time we go live, we'll have a name for we promise. It'll be somewhere where we're like unfiltered, uncensored, safe talk, mindful moments.

[00:00:18] Brian: I love it all. I don't know what it's going to be yet. What up, Walt? What's good tonight, man?

[00:00:23] Walt: Yeah, I'm excited for tonight, man. I'm excited for tonight's conversation, looking forward to really looking to really get into it and have a a healthy dialogue, maybe even a little bit of debate about stuff and stuff like that.

[00:00:37] Walt: We're

[00:00:37] Brian: debating with ourselves. But yeah because we both feel the same way. So it's but, boom, let's get right into it. On this episode, we're going to talk about this controversial topic of To get the CPP or to not get the CPP. I think as payroll professionals, we all struggle with it.[00:01:00]

[00:01:00] Brian: And like where I think where the longer you go without it, the more you feel like I don't need it, but then you have those days, right? What do you think? Well, yeah,

[00:01:14] Walt: well, absolutely. Like it, definitely has an impact. When you are applying or looking for advancement,

[00:01:24] Brian: right? But that's, but how do you know that you don't know?

[00:01:29] Brian: What do you mean impact on your own psyche, or

[00:01:34] Walt: I think in multiple ways, right? Because I know we had I know we had someone, I forgot one of our guests, we were talking about this, I think, maybe behind the scenes we were talking about this aspect, and she was saying like how one of her friends was applying for a job and wasn't getting anything and then she got her CPP and then all of a sudden,

[00:01:54] Brian: avalanche.

[00:01:58] Brian: So [00:02:00]

[00:02:00] Walt: That's, my, my, my standpoint is yes, there's definitely some benefit to it, but I don't, when I look at us. Neither of us are certified. We've taken the test. Unfortunately, we didn't pass it. I've taken it twice and failed it. And so I've known other people that we've talked to that have taken it a couple of times or a few times and failed it.

[00:02:27] Walt: And they're still successful. Yeah. In this role. They're still, they still know their stuff. They're still on top of their game. They're, stars in their craft. Yep. Yeah, like I, I think it's, almost like back in the day. Well, even now they say, Hey, you need to have a degree in order to

[00:02:53] Brian: it.

[00:02:53] Brian: So that's also a good debate. Yeah, exactly. So

[00:02:56] Walt: it's like in that same vein, in my opinion, right?

[00:02:59] Brian: Well, [00:03:00] yeah, it's in the same vein. It is in the same vein, but not as, yep. Not, I think the degrees, they've made it more of a barrier in the past. Like you said, but that was a hard barrier, right? Like with payroll jobs, I've seen in, I've seen in my past, like when it's time for me to start looking again and when I moved and all these things I would see some jobs go from CPP required, right?

[00:03:35] Brian: To CPP preferred. Because look, at the end of the day, there's millions of payroll jobs. And I think we tried to capture the number one time and it's only in the thousands would see in the tens of thousands of CPP folks that are certified, right? Because that information is available and we know so there's a [00:04:00] huge gap between certified and uncertified.

[00:04:04] Brian: So the the jobs if you're not finding talent because you have that C p filter or F P c, I don't wanna discount the F P C. Just, know folks that we're talking about both, right? Let's go ahead and certification. It's, both. I'm not disrespecting either. Then you see that filter, like it, it opens up the pool when they take that filter off, when it's preferred, it's boom.

[00:04:34] Brian: Now the pool is open and whoa. You know what I mean? So it's, such a tough topic to talk about because of that. You have so many people that are successful without it. And then yet we get these horror stories and these scary stories and and we talk to folks and we feel a certain way we feel a way because they're certified or they're having trouble finding work because they're [00:05:00] not certified or whatever.

[00:05:02] Brian: I took it to and I failed, but. In my defense, like I just walked in on it. I didn't really practice. I didn't really do the practice that they recommend via all of the guides. Like even Lindsay, when we talked to her, she was like three to six months that she, studied for it.

[00:05:21] Brian: And that's the norm that I hear three to six months of studying. In preparation for the test. And as soon as you finish studying, you need to take the test. You have to time it that as soon as you finish studying, you take the test. I, just, anyway, I just walked in and took it.

[00:05:39] Brian: I got a 270 and you needed 300 and that was painful. And I've, heard other people get 295 like, literally points away. That's the worst. I'm like, I feel better at my 270 because I knew like they were right. There was a whole gap and what was good. Like it told you. Where you [00:06:00] went, you know where you didn't do well, and I literally I still have it on my phone like the sections And this is in many iPhones later but I pulled it through on my notes always.

[00:06:11] Brian: And it's like my main note, it's still like my main note that I use in life. And it's in the header is CPP. But it's not it's just like a reminder constantly. But I, but it's, that double edged sword because we get to a point where we're like, we're really, we're pretty successful without it.

[00:06:32] Brian: Look we, prepared some stuff we're going to play both sides. We're going to touch on some of the reason what is it? Benefits of having it as opposed to how you still can be successful without it. So go ahead. We'll take us through the, a couple of these and we'll we'll bounce back and forth here.

[00:06:55] Walt: All so we're going to talk about the benefits of having it.

[00:06:59] Brian: Benefits of [00:07:00] having it. Yeah. Having it, right?

[00:07:01] Walt: So number one, it says you gain enhanced knowledge and skills. Payroll certifications provide a comprehensive understanding of payroll processes, laws, regulations, and best practices.

[00:07:12] Walt: Yeah, covered topics such as payroll calculations, tax compliance, benefits, administration, record keeping, and payroll software by acquiring this knowledge, you become better equipped to handle complex tasks and navigate legal requirements. See, when it says that I feel like. If you're good at your job as a paraprofessional, you're going to develop those skills

[00:07:38] Brian: anyway, right?

[00:07:44] Brian: Yeah, that one is very matter of fact. And the other, the flip side of that is on the other the other side of this when we talk about how to be successful without it, because you're right. [00:08:00] Like the next one perfect, you get perfectional credibility, right? Yeah. But I have problems with this one, right?

[00:08:09] Brian: Because it says, Oh, Pedro, a payroll certification demonstrates your commitment to your profession and validates your expertise. Fake news. I don't believe that to be true. That's. And the word validate is what catches me up. Now you're saying I'm only validated in my skills.

[00:08:32] Walt: Well, for their personal experience is saying it validates the person who, who took the test and pass it and obtain the certification. That's how I'm

[00:08:48] Brian: reading it. I don't read it that way, so I'm offended by it. The next 1, 2, it says employers often value certified professionals as they can rely [00:09:00] on their up to date knowledge and adherence to industry standards.

[00:09:04] Brian: Again, I think that's true, but I know, but see, yes, it's true, but what are you saying that non certified are not? That's not,

[00:09:16] Walt: that's not what I'm saying.

[00:09:18] Brian: But we're talking about the benefits of being certified. So what are we saying? If you're this, then you're not, if you're not let me,

[00:09:25] Walt: let me finish.

[00:09:26] Walt: So what I'm saying is that. Employers, I'm saying that employers often do value that, which is what the point I made earlier about the person who. Wasn't getting any traction with their applications all of a sudden got her certification and then the floodgates open. In my opinion, that's because those employers.

[00:09:51] Brian: Value that fair, but I could discount that to the time it could be just coincidence in the time frame that she looked without [00:10:00] it to the time frame. She looked with it different employers with it. You know what I mean? Again, it's, it, this is why this is a good conversation. The last one I did agree with, it can help you stand out from non-certified candidates and boost your credibility among colleagues, clients, and stakeholders.

[00:10:21] Brian: Now that is a fact. Okay? That it's, there's no, it's matter of fact, the other things are opinion to me that's all I'm saying. Like the other things are opinion to me. And that's what gets me. I get offended.

[00:10:38] Walt: . I get what you're saying. I can see your side of it, but I can also see the other side of it through it. It is more of a opinionated statement for the first two and the last one is more kind of concrete.

[00:10:52] Walt: Yes, it can help you stand out from non certified. It

[00:10:55] Brian: absolutely will not can it will. That's a [00:11:00] fact.

[00:11:01] Walt: But back at you real quick. Mhm. Is that doesn't that last statement kind of coincide to what it says, why employers will often value certified professionals, because it helps you stand out against the non certified ones.

[00:11:20] Brian: No, it having it makes you stand out companies valuing the CPP, that's separate. It's separate. And we can come back to it, but the next one, because if not, we'll get stuck on this show all night. Career advancement. This I thought was a fact. Payroll certifications can open doors to career advancement opportunities.

[00:11:48] Brian: Yes. They can provide a competitive edge when applying for promotions and seeking higher level payroll positions. Yes. Certified professionals may access, may have access to a broader range of job [00:12:00] opportunities and may be eligible, redundant. Same shit again. Yes. Yes. Having it. It's better than not having it at the end of the day, right?

[00:12:11] Brian: But it doesn't mean that it doesn't guarantee success. And I think that's what some of the stuff that kind of leans to that is what bothers me. You know what I mean? Because

[00:12:22] Walt: because I get what you're saying. It makes it seem like everybody else who doesn't have is in a way, subpar.

[00:12:31] Walt: Yeah yeah. So I get what

[00:12:33] Brian: you're, I get what you're saying. This next one, networking opportunity was meh. This is it was just filler nonsense. Okay you're, open shore. And Networking, opportunities is what you make it just because you have something doesn't know.

[00:12:51] Brian: Yes. Okay. It gets you in the door. It's CPP only things

[00:12:56] Walt: we can use ourselves. For example, as to payroll [00:13:00] professionals who have a podcast or starting their own business. We're connected with. Multiple contacts and people throughout all the, payroll industry. It's all over. So I think it's about getting out, reaching out to people.

[00:13:19] Brian: What's up? No, I'm going to write it down. Go ahead.

[00:13:23] Walt: Like we, like it's about taking the initiative and just reaching out and like actually going out to people and like trying to connect with them. You know what I'm saying?

[00:13:41] Brian: Fine. Look, again, I think it was just a fluff thing for why you should have it. The last one I have my, I have said a bunch of things I'm having trouble with here too. Professional development, maintaining a payroll certification often requires ongoing professional development through [00:14:00] continuing ed and recertification.

[00:14:02] Brian: Facts. It forces you to do it, right? You have to get recertified. So that's a cool thing, right? You have to keep getting recertified. That's really all it does us. It forces a little bit of professional development, whatever. What else does it say? This ensures that the certified professional stays up This ensures that they stay up to date on the latest changes in payro No, it does not.

[00:14:26] Brian: Does not ensure that. Because you can go through these, you can just go through the motions on the certification stuff. All you have to do is take classes, like you can get on a webinar for an hour, go on autopilot, watch TV click yes, and boom, you're through your class. It doesn't get, you didn't absorb that shit, right?

[00:14:46] Brian: You gotta be good at what you do to absorb so that's why I have a problem with that statement. Fake news. Continuing learning and professional development can contribute to your long term success and keep your keep you relevant in the [00:15:00] field facts and must be done regardless of certification.

[00:15:03] Brian: That's my add to it like, yes, but you got to do that anyway to be a good payroll professional. So I get it's almost get it to the point where like everything they say is to be to have you have it. You have to do it anyway, regardless. So to be successful,

[00:15:20] Walt: right? You have to

[00:15:22] Brian: to be good. Yes.

[00:15:24] Brian: I don't even, I don't even know if to be successful. I don't know, but to be good at it, because what'd you just send me the other day about confident spoken people who are the most confident and not always the most competent. Yeah, that's true. So it doesn't guarantee it doesn't mean like it, what is a relevant success, keep you relevant, long term success.

[00:15:51] Walt: I was saying, like to be, to have success just in general, as a payroll professional, you got to do that stuff anyway [00:16:00] not, saying that, Oh, you need you'll, be successful because. We had a conversation with someone and I forget who it was, but they said that they know people who have their certification.

[00:16:11] Brian: And they're struggling. Yep. And they can't do basic payroll stuff. Things. You really book smart. And then we're going to get to this. We're going to get to that concept too. And then before we leave this area. Yeah. My comment is, it doesn't even exist in other countries. It doesn't exist in the UK.

[00:16:27] Brian: The CPP is American based. And, so what happens to the person? I don't know. I'm just saying he's getting angry. No,

[00:16:40] Walt: no I, get it because, the way that this, some of this stuff that they worded could have been taken like, Hey I might chop liver over here as a payroll professional, I've been in this like two plus decades and stuff, right?

[00:16:58] Walt: Have I not? [00:17:00] Have I not come highly recommended? Have I not excelled

[00:17:05] Brian: and stuff implemented payroll systems, executed payroll properly, kept it under a certain era level yes. All right. But

[00:17:18] Walt: I get why it it fuels your fireman and pushes your buttons.

[00:17:21] Walt: I get it. Yeah. Alright. Yeah. Big time. Success without a payroll certification, while the certification can provide certain, i it says silver, but I'll say certain advantages. It, is possible to succeed in the payroll field without one. Yes. We're a testament to that. People. Absolutely. Here, are some of the factors that can contribute to success.

[00:17:45] Walt: Success even without a certification number one experience gaining practical experience in payroll management is highly valuable demonstrating a track record [00:18:00] successfully handling payroll responsibilities, managing complex payroll systems and ensuring compliance can be just as compelling to employers as a certification as it should be.

[00:18:12] Walt: Yeah, people should be able to look at your CV or your resume and wow, look at all this stuff. This person's done all the experience that they have, like all the implementations, all the different systems, all the different functions, the C suite consultations, all these different things that you've done over your career can be really, impressive

[00:18:36] Brian: to people.

[00:18:38] Brian: Yep.

[00:18:40] Walt: Number two, the transferable skills. Skills such as attention to detail and a little analytical thinking problem solving time management, effective communication are crucial for success and payroll management building and showcasing the skills through work experience and a couple accomplishments [00:19:00] can help you succeed regardless of certification status that goes back to the point that we were talking about developing those skills.

[00:19:10] Walt: No matter where you go in life, in the payroll world or universe, you

[00:19:16] Brian: are going to rock it. You're going to kill it.

[00:19:19] Walt: You're going to kill the game. People are going to be like, wow, , this person really knows their stuff.

[00:19:25] Brian: Geez. Adrian Resto, when he said that manager taught him how to do not, only do payroll where you are, do payroll where you're going.

[00:19:36] Brian: Yeah. So the transferable skills piece, because how many juniors have we come across that? Oh, I do payroll. I do payroll. I do payroll. And then we put them to the test and they're like, Do you show you the payroll

[00:19:51] Walt: and number three this is the part for me that I guess out of all of these, all of them are important, but [00:20:00] if you do this one, you're gonna,

[00:20:02] Brian: you're gonna, yes, this is the key to the job.

[00:20:06] Brian: Yes, continuous learning. What were you gonna say? That's, the key to the job, regardless of certification. You can't not you, can't write, you can't stay unlearned, unlearned. You can't not learn it. I didn't know. Learn it was a word when I heard my boss say, once I was like, learn it, I had to look it up and I was like, oh, she's really speaking right.

[00:20:32] Brian: Any that, that, and too many Ds. Yeah, concern continuous learning is that's the whole key to this, right? If you want to be good at this, you have to stay learning about stuff. You have to stay researching the States research and compliance. We talk about what makes a well rounded payroll person all the time.

[00:20:55] Brian: That has to be maintained regardless of certification. You have

[00:20:59] Walt: to, [00:21:00] in a way, and maybe you can describe it in a better way, but I feel like no matter what level you get to in payroll, you have to remain teachable. Absolutely. Whether that's teachable to yourself, you have to be able to receive that knowledge.

[00:21:18] Walt: No matter what the, who the source is, whether that's you reading something, whether somebody's talking to you or at you, whether you're listening to a webinar, you're, it's a TED talk, you're going to payroll Congress, or you're going to unleash no matter what it is, you have to remain

[00:21:34] Brian: teachable.

[00:21:37] Brian: The

[00:21:38] Brian: number four,

[00:21:39] Walt: it says

[00:21:40] Brian: professional network again same, BS, you're in a club, there's a brotherhood of non professionals, there's a brotherhood of not certified, and there's a brotherhood of certified. Okay.

[00:21:54] Walt: If they know their stuff, and you're connected with them, it's going to be beneficial for you [00:22:00]

[00:22:00] Brian: as a professional, even if you don't

[00:22:02] Walt: have your certification.

[00:22:05] Walt: A lot of the people that, that we've had on as guests, a handful of them wanted to, I think a couple of them have had their CPP.

[00:22:13] Brian: Oh yeah. At the end of the day, folks, there's no conclusion. Both paths are still realistic for now.

[00:22:19] Walt: When you say, that, what is, what do you, what

[00:22:22] Brian: do you mean? What do you mean? No,

[00:22:24] Walt: no. So I'm asking you because I know you both pass both paths have realistic success.

[00:22:31] Brian: Yeah. And then that's what you mean. Yeah. Yes. Yes. Exactly what I'm sorry. Yes. That's what I mean. You can be successful either way. Because at the end of the day, let's not forget the APA created the CPP, right? It's not, this is a, an entity. That just made it up at the end of the day, folks, right?

[00:22:53] Brian: It's not like the bar to get you to do practice law. It's not like an MD to practice medicine. [00:23:00] Those things you have to get to practice that, right? This is, we don't have to get it to practice. So I think until that changes, will this argument still exist? This conversation will stay relevant or it goes away.

[00:23:19] Brian: I'm neither for or against it. It's just a matter of fact in our world and then like you said, AI is going to continue to impact this stuff. So what happens then? How does that change the play? Cybersecurity has to be rolled into this CPP. Yeah, like you, it's not aging.

[00:23:41] Brian: Well, the site, the CPP has to age a little bit. It has to update for that. The ai, I think a aspects of ai, both Right. Learning Yep. Has to be rolled in. Cybersecurity has to be, yes. Both. 'cause

[00:23:56] Walt: everybody's on this AI kicking and it's just gonna, it's, it is [00:24:00] an AI explosion. Now that's going on.

[00:24:03] Walt: There's an AI explosion that's going on and all this stuff is just gonna be expanding. , I think we've only seen the tip of the

[00:24:09] Brian: iceberg. Oh, heck yeah. When it comes to AI. They're just starting to train bots and train AI machine learning and all that stuff.

[00:24:16] Brian: Like it's the tip, absolutely this tip of the iceberg. But they're, well, so politicians are already trying to counter that and they're state by state, they're having issues with AI and they're trying to limit how it's progressing. We'll see. We'll see. We may not be allowed to do certain things going forward because of the fear of Skynet, the fictional Skynet we're talking about Terminator folks.

[00:24:44] Brian: It's in for those fans. Yeah, for those of who know what it is. If not, it's the fictional Skynet and the robots takeover. And it, so one thing here that it is worth talking about is the test taking abilities, right? Because some of the folks [00:25:00] that we hear, they say I'm a bad test taker.

[00:25:07] Brian: And, okay, sure, but it's worth noting that labeling someone as a bad test taker may not accurately reflect their overall knowledge, right? I think that's what we got to keep in mind. Some individuals may excel at alternative forms of assessment and different ways to take tests in these skills. So if they, if they made the test to go along with standardized testing, then yeah, the same folks who have trouble with the SAT and all this stuff are going to have trouble with this test. Yeah, because

[00:25:39] Walt: everyone learns in a different

[00:25:42] Brian: way, right? And everybody

[00:25:45] Walt: Tests in a different way. Doesn't mean that you somebody else can kill somebody else's test score when it comes to that aspect, but you sit them down in front of a payroll system and tell them to figure it out, the other person might be able to figure it out [00:26:00] more than you.

[00:26:00] Walt: Or read the book. Or vice versa, you know what I'm saying? Sure. Like it just depends on the individual, right? At the end of the day. So yes I love that point that you put in there just because you might be a bad test taker doesn't, equate to you being a bad payroll professional.

[00:26:18] Brian: Exactly. Exactly. Yeah, I'm

[00:26:22] Walt: telling you, man, I felt it twice. I think I did better the first time than I did the second time I was like, well, I'm going in the wrong

[00:26:31] Brian: direction. Yeah for real. But again, cause it's, really. It, I have trouble with it because it really is just one of those things where there's some, most of the stuff that I took on that test, like you don't even use in day to day practice it's nice to know the concepts and understand that and I guess, but you're going to get good anyway, if you want to be [00:27:00] good at payroll, you're going to get good at payroll regardless of the test.

[00:27:03] Walt: Absolutely. And I can understand your frustration. I don't even think I shared this with you. There was an interview that I went, to one time, I think it was a Pittsburgh. For a payroll position, and I had to meet a bunch of different people in the boardrooms, and they just

[00:27:20] Brian: kept, they brought all at one time.

[00:27:22] Walt: Yes, they brought, they were all asking me questions and they, and the topic of certification came up. And I was like, no, I'm not certified. I've taken it just I haven't passed it, but I I have extensive payroll experience and stuff like that as my resume shows and the only response they gave was like, oh, that's unfortunate.

[00:27:45] Walt: Yeah, I didn't get the

[00:27:46] Brian: job. Yep. Because they said they wanted that filter. They wanted that potential. So

[00:27:52] Walt: That's, the thing. That kind of resonated with me when it says the benefits of getting the certification, if I had, [00:28:00] maybe I would have been considered I may not have gotten the job

[00:28:04] Brian: still, but you would have been more considered.

[00:28:07] Brian: Yep.

[00:28:08] Walt: Yeah, so the person for the person to say that in the interview oh, that's unfortunate later.

[00:28:14] Brian: Yeah, you knew there's it. There you go. I lost it. Yep. How do you how do they say that you stack your chances you know, you increase your chance? Sure, absolutely increase your chances but look, just the way is my degree or not degree?

[00:28:34] Brian: Did it? Did that help me? Yeah, absolutely. You know what I mean? I don't know We've gotten to the same point in payroll. You don't have a degree. I have a degree. How did I, did it make a difference? Doesn't seem like it. I went, I

[00:28:52] Walt: went to a a payroll school in the military for six months where

[00:28:59] Brian: they taught you how to [00:29:00] do.

[00:29:00] Brian: That's pretty cool. You could, that's on your resume, right? Yeah. Yeah. See, that looks pretty cool then. See that's how, you know what I mean? I went to a payroll school

[00:29:08] Walt: and they literally taught you for months before you went to your main station. They taught you for months there.

[00:29:16] Walt: And every, everything is, different, right? You had to pass tests and you had to pass the class. Otherwise, you had to stay there, so

[00:29:25] Brian: I passed the class. See you should have, and then in that interview, you should have been like, no, but I would rigorously trained in the military and blah you should have a good end.

[00:29:35] Brian: That would do, they would have been like, Oh, wow. Yeah, they maybe, who knows? Look, if they have the filter, they have the filter. You know what I mean? Like I was at a, I was at a I worked for a human resources director once and we would open the job search. And he was like, they must have a bachelor's.

[00:29:50] Brian: And I was like, why? He's because I just want the filter. I don't want to deal with anybody else without. What? You

[00:29:58] Walt: can, you can bypass a lot of good [00:30:00] people that way.

[00:30:00] Brian: Heck yeah! A ton! What about what they got the associates and they're working on the bachelors what if they, just been doing it for 20 years?

[00:30:08] Brian: What does that, are we going to pass up on? It's arbitrary. That, that's annoying. You know what I mean? It's annoying. I

[00:30:18] Walt: knew, I knew this. Mechanic guy that I was friends with back in the day his dad worked on cars and he was great. Everybody came and came to him to fix their car because he, knew how to work on cars.

[00:30:31] Walt: No matter what the car was, he like, he knew Hey, you need this part. You need this. You need that. You need this. But I think even mechanics now have certifications. Are schools, like trade school type of situation you can go to,

[00:30:44] Walt: The reason I'm bringing it up is because he had trouble because he was trying to ah, get a job.

[00:30:49] Walt: He didn't have any certain

[00:30:50] Brian: occasions

[00:30:50] Walt: and he didn't have any type of official schooling. He was like, yeah my dad taught me,

[00:30:55] Brian: no doubt other than the garage.

[00:30:57] Walt: Yep. But that's all so it's just [00:31:00] it was good for you, that's good. It's a good story,

[00:31:02] Brian: but...

[00:31:03] Walt: Hey, in a nutshell for this show, if you feel like you want to get your certification because you feel like it'll be beneficial to you, go ahead and do that.

[00:31:13] Brian: Yes, the damn thing. Yes, absolutely. But if you feel

[00:31:18] Walt: like you want to progress. Without it. And you've been doing well without it. Keep progressing, keep learning as, we say,

[00:31:27] Brian: so even if you don't have the CPP, continuing education is a must. Like we said here, continuing learning, regardless of category is the, that is the one mandate. For payroll professionals, you must continue to learn you, whatever it is, you take your webinars, all of your vendors give free education.

[00:31:49] Brian: So you get, take advantage of that. Companies should be paying for your continuing education, so you should not have to come out of pocket for it. There are a [00:32:00] ton of webinars out there to take with us.

[00:32:04] Walt: Yeah there's, even some episodes on our podcast you can learn from.

[00:32:08] Brian: Oh, heck yeah. Oh gosh.

[00:32:10] Brian: If you listen to the show, you will learn a ton. People that come on and teach us stuff.

[00:32:15] Brian: Stay on LinkedIn and read because everybody in payroll LinkedIn is always sharing information. So that's the good thing about it. Cause we we, are a sharing bunch, but there is no one resource you have is a cultivating and curating a combination of resources.

[00:32:35] Walt: And I think somebody said that I forget who it was.

[00:32:40] Walt: I have an idea. I'm

[00:32:41] Brian: not, I'm not gonna, no, don't blow 'em up anyway. That's fine. Keep it anonymous. I'm not blowing them up. Yeah.

[00:32:46] Walt: But they said Google.

[00:32:48] Brian: Yeah, Google is that's the ultimate, like

[00:32:52] Walt: it's, there's tons of stuff. Like you gotta make sure it's legit. Of

[00:32:55] Brian: course you right. You gotta know, you gotta validate your sources.

[00:32:59] Brian: But [00:33:00] any research through Google, really

[00:33:02] Walt: even on YouTube. YouTube, you gotta validate all that stuff. 'cause there's tons of fake stuff

[00:33:06] Brian: out there, right?

[00:33:07] Brian: And, again, you just, you have to stay continuous, learning. And that's it folks, that's it, man very,

[00:33:15] Walt: Very, good debate, man. Very good.

[00:33:18] Walt: Yeah. Yeah. Seeing both sides and people were able to hear how you thought about it, how I thought about it. Now that you heard that, what are you thinking as a listener?

[00:33:29] Brian: What are your thoughts? Share your thoughts. Let us know. Send us some stories. All right. That's it folks. Yeah, man. Thanks for joining.

[00:33:38] Brian: Thanks for your time, sir. As always, peace. We love you.

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